In “SWITCH” VOL.41 December 2023 Issue, Yusuke Koishi of KLEINSTEIN and Miki Koishi facilitated a trilogy discussion between Rick Owens, Hiroshi Sugimoto and Ryoji Ikeda. This is the first interview with Rick Owens after his first visit to Japan in 20 years. </>. The recording was made in a cave at the Enoura Observatory built by Hiroshi Sugimoto and his studio New Materials Research Institute. The shooting was done by Danielle Levitt.